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		<title>Comment on If a marketer doesn&#8217;t track results, do they still count? by Christy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Mar 2010 14:30:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marketers who run paid search campaigns (or organic, for that matter) seem to fall into two camps: marketers who are happy with the level of trackability that past types of traditional marketing offered (very little)...and marketers who want more. 

I can understand the theory that doing &quot;something&quot; is better than doing nothing.  The brand is at least getting some level of awareness that it wasn&#039;t getting before.  And, historically, such a small percentage of traditional marketing was trackable that some marketers have grown accustomed to assuming success or failure for particular campaigns without having the data to back it up.  

However, it&#039;s the marketers that recognize the measurable results that can come from search that are truly cashing in.  The ROI that can be traced to key phrases, ad copy, landing pages, site copy revisions, etc. is just remarkable.  Good firms know how to track it.  And, you&#039;re missing out if you&#039;re not taking advantage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marketers who run paid search campaigns (or organic, for that matter) seem to fall into two camps: marketers who are happy with the level of trackability that past types of traditional marketing offered (very little)&#8230;and marketers who want more. </p>
<p>I can understand the theory that doing &#8220;something&#8221; is better than doing nothing.  The brand is at least getting some level of awareness that it wasn&#8217;t getting before.  And, historically, such a small percentage of traditional marketing was trackable that some marketers have grown accustomed to assuming success or failure for particular campaigns without having the data to back it up.  </p>
<p>However, it&#8217;s the marketers that recognize the measurable results that can come from search that are truly cashing in.  The ROI that can be traced to key phrases, ad copy, landing pages, site copy revisions, etc. is just remarkable.  Good firms know how to track it.  And, you&#8217;re missing out if you&#8217;re not taking advantage.</p>
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		<title>Comment on If a marketer doesn&#8217;t track results, do they still count? by Abu Noaman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Abu Noaman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 19:40:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If a marketer can&#039;t answer the question &quot;What do I want more of?&quot; AND is unable to measurably answer the question, then the marketer shouldn&#039;t bother running the SEO campaign. It&#039;s a recipe for making Google and SEO vendors rich. Marketers should demand meaningful analytics from their SEO vendors, and respectable ones like Elliance have summary and detailed performance dashboards.

We still find B2B, B2B2C, and B2C remain quite relevant because each requires unique persuasion architecture, conversion paradigms,  demand generation strategies and web analytic models.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If a marketer can&#8217;t answer the question &#8220;What do I want more of?&#8221; AND is unable to measurably answer the question, then the marketer shouldn&#8217;t bother running the SEO campaign. It&#8217;s a recipe for making Google and SEO vendors rich. Marketers should demand meaningful analytics from their SEO vendors, and respectable ones like Elliance have summary and detailed performance dashboards.</p>
<p>We still find B2B, B2B2C, and B2C remain quite relevant because each requires unique persuasion architecture, conversion paradigms,  demand generation strategies and web analytic models.</p>
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		<title>Comment on If a marketer doesn&#8217;t track results, do they still count? by Carol Wolicki</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carol Wolicki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 19:11:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sooooooo. In sum: Because RESULTS count, metrics SHOULD count but (a) they are often conflicting, (b) they&#039;re hard to read or make sense of without a lot of effort, so look for trends, (c)  -- even if you don&#039;t pay attention to the metrics or do anything with them, keep the faith because doing &#039;something&#039; in SEO is better than doing nothing... or so Google, Yahoo, Microsoft, and other search engines would like us to believe. (And, full disclosure, I probably have to concur.) 

But, please, if you have more thoughts on this...would love to have you weigh in!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sooooooo. In sum: Because RESULTS count, metrics SHOULD count but (a) they are often conflicting, (b) they&#8217;re hard to read or make sense of without a lot of effort, so look for trends, (c)  &#8212; even if you don&#8217;t pay attention to the metrics or do anything with them, keep the faith because doing &#8217;something&#8217; in SEO is better than doing nothing&#8230; or so Google, Yahoo, Microsoft, and other search engines would like us to believe. (And, full disclosure, I probably have to concur.) </p>
<p>But, please, if you have more thoughts on this&#8230;would love to have you weigh in!</p>
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		<title>Comment on If a marketer doesn&#8217;t track results, do they still count? by Steve Parker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Parker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 17:49:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting. If you&#039;re doing paid search ads and you&#039;re not measuring and analyzing your results, I don&#039;t think I&#039;m going out on a limb here to say you&#039;re incompetent. Everyone knows, and every book, webinar, ebook, and expert will affirm, that PPC is a test-adjust-improve-rinse-repeat process. With no real understanding of results data, the whole process is worthless. That is if the people in question are even attempting to follow it.

The chart strongly suggests that the people represented by the delta between 62% neutral and 27% neutral--that 35%--probably have no idea if/when their campaigns are working. They&#039;re probably hands off. They&#039;ve outsourced to a vendor who gives them razzle dazzle but not the beef, and they don&#039;t demand it for some reason. There could be many different reasons, but they&#039;re making the same mistake any marketer makes when they outsource a function, whether SEO or social media or PR, and don&#039;t sweat the details right alongside the vendor. In the long run they&#039;ll get suboptimal results.

I&#039;m sorry but if you want to be in the game, you have no choice but to make the effort to keep score.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting. If you&#8217;re doing paid search ads and you&#8217;re not measuring and analyzing your results, I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;m going out on a limb here to say you&#8217;re incompetent. Everyone knows, and every book, webinar, ebook, and expert will affirm, that PPC is a test-adjust-improve-rinse-repeat process. With no real understanding of results data, the whole process is worthless. That is if the people in question are even attempting to follow it.</p>
<p>The chart strongly suggests that the people represented by the delta between 62% neutral and 27% neutral&#8211;that 35%&#8211;probably have no idea if/when their campaigns are working. They&#8217;re probably hands off. They&#8217;ve outsourced to a vendor who gives them razzle dazzle but not the beef, and they don&#8217;t demand it for some reason. There could be many different reasons, but they&#8217;re making the same mistake any marketer makes when they outsource a function, whether SEO or social media or PR, and don&#8217;t sweat the details right alongside the vendor. In the long run they&#8217;ll get suboptimal results.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry but if you want to be in the game, you have no choice but to make the effort to keep score.</p>
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		<title>Comment on If a marketer doesn&#8217;t track results, do they still count? by War Wizard</title>
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		<dc:creator>War Wizard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 17:31:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The results absolutely count.  If traffic is coming into your site, and you can see your rank or ads in the search engines, then by all means, yes they are important.

As to one-click reporting that fully demonstrates the results? Without someone paying attention to the reports at an analytical level, high-level reports will most likely be all that can be delivered. 

While it&#039;s true that PPC can let you track almost everything, it can&#039;t account for users who turn off javascript and disable cookies. So just from those people alone, the data will NEVER be 100% accurate. Then, take into account that the analytics software interpret the log files differently. 

Webtrends processes the exact same log file differently from Google Analytics. Knowing this, the best way to know if something is working is to look for trends and patterns that match up over time.

Depending on how your site is constructed, you&#039;d be amazed what people are willing to share - both good and bad. I don&#039;t need a report telling me my site is bad based in my bounce rate.

Ultimately, it&#039;s up to person charged with reviewing the reports to get out of it what they need. All the reporting in the world makes no difference is the people receiving them never look at them!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The results absolutely count.  If traffic is coming into your site, and you can see your rank or ads in the search engines, then by all means, yes they are important.</p>
<p>As to one-click reporting that fully demonstrates the results? Without someone paying attention to the reports at an analytical level, high-level reports will most likely be all that can be delivered. </p>
<p>While it&#8217;s true that PPC can let you track almost everything, it can&#8217;t account for users who turn off javascript and disable cookies. So just from those people alone, the data will NEVER be 100% accurate. Then, take into account that the analytics software interpret the log files differently. </p>
<p>Webtrends processes the exact same log file differently from Google Analytics. Knowing this, the best way to know if something is working is to look for trends and patterns that match up over time.</p>
<p>Depending on how your site is constructed, you&#8217;d be amazed what people are willing to share &#8211; both good and bad. I don&#8217;t need a report telling me my site is bad based in my bounce rate.</p>
<p>Ultimately, it&#8217;s up to person charged with reviewing the reports to get out of it what they need. All the reporting in the world makes no difference is the people receiving them never look at them!</p>
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